Comments on: It’s so cheap! (But only if it kills me…) http://sky.kaitain.org/2010/04/its-so-cheap-but-only-if-it-kills-me/ It is madness for sheep to talk peace with a wolf. Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:51:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Gravecat http://sky.kaitain.org/2010/04/its-so-cheap-but-only-if-it-kills-me/comment-page-1/#comment-37 Gravecat Sun, 18 Apr 2010 23:34:43 +0000 http://sky.kaitain.org/?p=17#comment-37 <i>Technically</i> the akimbo shotguns thing isn't a sploit, it's just shockingly poor design. The knife thing though, yes. But yeah, I agree with you on that level: While you'll <i>never</i> be able to instil in me any modicum of respect for "snipers" in online games (the real-world ones, that's another matter), it's just ludicrous to run headlong into a deployed machinegunner and expect to survive. Technically the akimbo shotguns thing isn’t a sploit, it’s just shockingly poor design. The knife thing though, yes.

But yeah, I agree with you on that level: While you’ll never be able to instil in me any modicum of respect for “snipers” in online games (the real-world ones, that’s another matter), it’s just ludicrous to run headlong into a deployed machinegunner and expect to survive.

]]> By: Pika http://sky.kaitain.org/2010/04/its-so-cheap-but-only-if-it-kills-me/comment-page-1/#comment-36 Pika Sun, 18 Apr 2010 23:27:01 +0000 http://sky.kaitain.org/?p=17#comment-36 I'll give you that. I didn't stray into exploits for this post, only people screaming something is cheap because they died to it, and only because of that. The Knife\Akimbo builds in MW2 are an exploit, as was CH way back when it was alive. I was planning on making another post at some point talking about exploitive play and how that's just poor sportsmanship. This, however, is people continually running head long into a machine gun, and then saying it's the machine gunners fault, because heaven forbid they're just stupid or something silly like that. I’ll give you that. I didn’t stray into exploits for this post, only people screaming something is cheap because they died to it, and only because of that. The Knife\Akimbo builds in MW2 are an exploit, as was CH way back when it was alive.

I was planning on making another post at some point talking about exploitive play and how that’s just poor sportsmanship. This, however, is people continually running head long into a machine gun, and then saying it’s the machine gunners fault, because heaven forbid they’re just stupid or something silly like that.

]]> By: Gravecat http://sky.kaitain.org/2010/04/its-so-cheap-but-only-if-it-kills-me/comment-page-1/#comment-35 Gravecat Sun, 18 Apr 2010 23:23:08 +0000 http://sky.kaitain.org/?p=17#comment-35 Well~ I'm somewhat half-inclined to agree; it goes against what I said in an earlier blog post of my own, though -- http://gravec.at/2009/where-is-the-line-drawn/ (you've probably read that one), but I still feel there's a certain line between an M60 being "cheap" because it's too good at killing people, or -- say -- someone running around at the speed of light knifing people in the face while never firing a single bullet. There's a difference between using the tools given to you in a way that your opponents don't like, and outright abusing the system and playing the game in a way that was never intended in the first place. If you sneak up behind someone and knife them in the back, mow them down with a machinegun, blow them to messy chunks with a well-hidden block of C4, or any of these other "cheap" methods of victory, that could still be attributed to skill and tactical thinking; on the other hand, doing things like abusing geometry glitches, using weapons in bizarre and completely unintended ways, or -- as with ChromeHounds -- building the mechs in ridiculous and implausible ways that exist only due to the poor planning and inadequate QA by the developers, that's still something I'd call "cheap" and decry at every turn. But I suppose it's all relative. Well~ I’m somewhat half-inclined to agree; it goes against what I said in an earlier blog post of my own, though — http://gravec.at/2009/where-is-the-line-drawn/ (you’ve probably read that one), but I still feel there’s a certain line between an M60 being “cheap” because it’s too good at killing people, or — say — someone running around at the speed of light knifing people in the face while never firing a single bullet.

There’s a difference between using the tools given to you in a way that your opponents don’t like, and outright abusing the system and playing the game in a way that was never intended in the first place. If you sneak up behind someone and knife them in the back, mow them down with a machinegun, blow them to messy chunks with a well-hidden block of C4, or any of these other “cheap” methods of victory, that could still be attributed to skill and tactical thinking; on the other hand, doing things like abusing geometry glitches, using weapons in bizarre and completely unintended ways, or — as with ChromeHounds — building the mechs in ridiculous and implausible ways that exist only due to the poor planning and inadequate QA by the developers, that’s still something I’d call “cheap” and decry at every turn.

But I suppose it’s all relative.

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